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[Belle]

I hit an email cheat link at Marinos mail and thought I recalled an admin saying hitting one link would cost you your earnings.I asked a friend who said yes but I honestly thought she was pulling my leg....

I sent a message asking and found yes....that is the case. If you hit a cheat link you can only use your earnings for ads.

If you have any incorrect information you lose your earning completely.

Now I do understand how frustrating it must be to run a site but this sounds a bit like creative debt control to me.

I also must say that the PO had sent an admin and at that time also started cheat links fresh.

This was her reply to my saying I was unsure if this was the site and if I had clicked a cheat link or x'd out in time.



hello,
 
 yes you have one and this applies to all family sites as well as most ptr site they all state your acct has to be in good standing to request payout. that has always been the tos but i have benn letting alot slide and the message was i wont be any more. i just rreset all cheat links as i do every now and then and you cliked one after that. the day i sent the admin message that your evedently didnt read. so i will post it again so you can read it.
 
Hello members,

This is an important update please read

I am updating a few things as some of you are not clear on some things.

First payouts, TOS has always stated that your acct has to be in good standing to receive payout

What is good standing seems to be the issue so I will clarify?
You have to be active
This is a paid to READ email site there for you have to have clicked emails
You have to be within terms if there are ptp or affiliate pages
You cannot be against tos
Meaning you have to have valid and complete acct info including name, address, payment info
And no Strikes meaning no cheat links no failed English tests etc

I have cleared all cheat links and there are no pending payout requests. So every one starts with a clean slate. Effective Today 7/17/2009 I will be enforcing the tos and if you have any strikes on your acct you can NOT request payout you will have to redeem your earnings.

As long as you have tos violations on your accts, your payout requests will be canceled
First time i will send you a message to let you know why your
If you keep requesting after I have canceled it and your acct is still NOT in GOOD standing after 3 strikes your acct will be deleted.

Make sure you read tos as that is one of the tos rules here you have to read them


Thank You
Madame Coffee
Madame Coffee's Family
Fax #(267) 284-5469
 
opinions please

[Belle]

I believe these are the other sites covered by these tos.

Coffee Club Emails
Cash Rocks
Crystal Clicks
Gossip Emails
Money Box Mails
Tickled Pink PTR
Madams-Money
Wine-N-Roses
Scuba Cash
Marino Mails
Traffic 2 Day
 
 

[iamannoyed]

This family of programs has gone steadily downhill over the years, and the program owner does indeed engage in multiple forms of creative debt control.

And no this is NOT normal practice.  Most PTR sites reset cheat links if you notify them immediately.  Reputable sites and decent program owners realize that there are mistakes made by EVERYONE (including themselves) and they don't use those mistakes as tools to reduce their debt.

[nana2camren]

This doesn't answer your question, but I agree with iamannoyed that these sites have gone/are going downhill.  Actually, the only one I can really speak of is Madams-Money.  I belonged for about a year and a half, payouts were well within terms and support was quick.  Then received a payout just past TOS, then the next request was past TOS when I received one of those emails some owners send saying your payment was processed.  I sent a contact to say I had not received the payment.  I received an apology for the mistake, but instead of receiving a payment, the cash was put back in my account for me to re-request and go through the wait period again.  About this time changes were made to the PTP, the changes were made prior to an admin announcing the changes.  I choose to redeem and quit and will not knowingly join any programs in this family.

[Belle]

Thank you  both.

That is the feeling I am also getting from the sites.

I am not denying I hit the cheat link and it was definitely well marked so the actual beef she has with me is legitimate. I just think it is totally ridiculous to forever remove your chance to cash out over a cheat link.

More and more sites seem to be coming up with these creative ways of cutting the debt and what is worse is they are quietly getting away with it...

Thanks again.

Belle

Does anyone know if the list of sites above is complete?

[jvano1]

Seems to be the complete list

[HeatherC]

That would explain why Gossip-Emails kept deleting my last payout request.  I clicked one of the PTC cheat links (the one worth 1/4 of a cent) back in February.  I realized it almost immediately, but by the time I closed the window it was too late.  I sent an e-mail right away explaining that I had made a mistake.  I never heard anything.  A couple of weeks later, I made a payment request and my account was suspended.  The reasons were that I had clicked on a cheat link (which the terms state that I need to click on 3 to be deleted) and did not have 10% in personal earnings compared to PTP earnings (I had 15% in personal earnings).  I also had a payment request deleted before I clicked on the cheat link. 

I made a new request in May, which was deleted a month later.  My personal earnings were closer to 20% at that point since I stopped promoting the PTP link.  I gave up and redeemed for ads at Gossip and at Madams (didn't click on a cheat link there, just wanted to be done with as many sites in that network as possible).  I'll be deleting those accounts once the ads expire.

I'm a bit stuck at Wine-n-roses because I have a lifetime affiliate page that I bought last October.  That site introduced a 10% personal earnings requirement for affiliate page earnings last month.  The site mainly consists of point links.

[Belle]

That would explain why Gossip-Emails kept deleting my last payout request.  I clicked one of the PTC cheat links (the one worth 1/4 of a cent) back in February.  I realized it almost immediately, but by the time I closed the window it was too late.  I sent an e-mail right away explaining that I had made a mistake.  I never heard anything.  A couple of weeks later, I made a payment request and my account was suspended.  The reasons were that I had clicked on a cheat link (which the terms state that I need to click on 3 to be deleted) and did not have 10% in personal earnings compared to PTP earnings (I had 15% in personal earnings).  I also had a payment request deleted before I clicked on the cheat link. 

I made a new request in May, which was deleted a month later.  My personal earnings were closer to 20% at that point since I stopped promoting the PTP link.  I gave up and redeemed for ads at Gossip and at Madams (didn't click on a cheat link there, just wanted to be done with as many sites in that network as possible).  I'll be deleting those accounts once the ads expire.

I'm a bit stuck at Wine-n-roses because I have a lifetime affiliate page that I bought last October.  That site introduced a 10% personal earnings requirement for affiliate page earnings last month.  The site mainly consists of point links.

She said she had reset the cheat links in July but who knows.

I have found that  when this type of thing starts to happen a little digging will most often uncover a site in trouble.

[Esperanza]

That would explain why Gossip-Emails kept deleting my last payout request.  I clicked one of the PTC cheat links (the one worth 1/4 of a cent) back in February.  I realized it almost immediately, but by the time I closed the window it was too late.  I sent an e-mail right away explaining that I had made a mistake.  I never heard anything.  A couple of weeks later, I made a payment request and my account was suspended.  The reasons were that I had clicked on a cheat link (which the terms state that I need to click on 3 to be deleted) and did not have 10% in personal earnings compared to PTP earnings (I had 15% in personal earnings).  I also had a payment request deleted before I clicked on the cheat link. 

I made a new request in May, which was deleted a month later.  My personal earnings were closer to 20% at that point since I stopped promoting the PTP link.  I gave up and redeemed for ads at Gossip and at Madams (didn't click on a cheat link there, just wanted to be done with as many sites in that network as possible).  I'll be deleting those accounts once the ads expire.

I'm a bit stuck at Wine-n-roses because I have a lifetime affiliate page that I bought last October.  That site introduced a 10% personal earnings requirement for affiliate page earnings last month.  The site mainly consists of point links.

She said she had reset the cheat links in July but who knows.

I have found that  when this type of thing starts to happen a little digging will most often uncover a site in trouble.

I vote for all this being creative debt control. I had to refuse PTP approval requests for several of the sites listed because they are - or were at the time - unsustainable.

Belle, resetting cheat links simply means that the cheat link counter is set to zero so you need to click three (or whatever amount) more times to lose your account. But every cheat link clicked is also registered in members notes and unless these notes are removed manually as well, it doesn't necessarily mean that members who clicked a cheat link before the counter was reset will now be paid again. Given the unfairness of denying payout at all sites after clicking just one cheat link, I expect that the notes will be kept and used against members.

[Cubby]

One cheat link is totally unfair.

[Cjay]

Is this normal..........the answer is NO!!!!!!!

[Enchanted]

One cheat link is totally unfair.

I agree.  Besides, clicking one cheat link does not necessarily make that person a cheater.  I have clicked a couple or so cheat links and the PO's were very understanding when I contacted them.  I have never hit a cheat link in those sites after that.  I was very thankful they understood and treated me nicely instead of like a cheater.  Mistakes can happen.  If a member keeps hitting cheat links frequently, I could understand the PO's stand but one?  Sheesh 

[Belle]

One cheat link is totally unfair.

I agree.  Besides, clicking one cheat link does not necessarily make that person a cheater.  I have clicked a couple or so cheat links and the PO's were very understanding when I contacted them.  I have never hit a cheat link in those sites after that.  I was very thankful they understood and treated me nicely instead of like a cheater.  Mistakes can happen.  If a member keeps hitting cheat links frequently, I could understand the PO's stand but one?  Sheesh 

I go a couple years never hitting a cheat link and then it seems all of a sudden I hit a few in a row,..

The worst was earlier this year. I hit one and emailed the PO to apologize....She wrote back saying she understood and before i got the reply I hit another. 

In that case I would have understood her being upset....Thank goodness she did not delete me and I have never hit another at her site since.

If a person is never going to be able to cash out after hitting one cheat link....unless this is an incredibly good advertising site ( and it isnt) then why bother.

Thanks everyone and thanks espry. I was not aware they were "saved".

Belle

[iamannoyed]

One cheat link is totally unfair.

I agree.  Besides, clicking one cheat link does not necessarily make that person a cheater.  I have clicked a couple or so cheat links and the PO's were very understanding when I contacted them.  I have never hit a cheat link in those sites after that.  I was very thankful they understood and treated me nicely instead of like a cheater.  Mistakes can happen.  If a member keeps hitting cheat links frequently, I could understand the PO's stand but one?  Sheesh 

I go a couple years never hitting a cheat link and then it seems all of a sudden I hit a few in a row,..

The worst was earlier this year. I hit one and emailed the PO to apologize....She wrote back saying she understood and before i got the reply I hit another. 

In that case I would have understood her being upset....Thank goodness she did not delete me and I have never hit another at her site since.

If a person is never going to be able to cash out after hitting one cheat link....unless this is an incredibly good advertising site ( and it isnt) then why bother.

Thanks everyone and thanks espry. I was not aware they were "saved".

Belle

If it makes you feel any better, I hit one at Country Folks and closed it out right away.  I did notify Tlady anyway. That was on August 4th and received a very nice email from her.  Then on the 8th I did it again.

Sent this the second time

GR.  I just did it again.  I also got rid of it before the timer ran down  again this time. I want you to know that I really don't make a habit of  clicking cheat links

Got this reply from Tlady:

I'm trying not to laugh at you honest, but I can't help it this just made me giggle     Thanks for letting me know though:) Don't worry I believe you, you don't strike me as the type to normally click cheat links.

[Roadrunner]

That is definitely not the norm.

I won't lie. I have hit a few cheat links, usually when tired and not paying attention. Which is really not much of an excuse.

I do send a note of apology when I click one and have never been penalized for the link. The apology is not to get out of the penalty, but to acknowledge that I am aware I made an error and am not a clickbot.

Most PO's understand people screw up now and then.

I was starting to make a lot of mistakes because of clicking when I was too tired, so I've cut back on my clicking activity.

It definitely sounds like creative debt control.