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[lynn55]

     PTR sites forced searchs.

Petmails.com send many search emails or fewer emails
dolphinptr.com send many search emails or fewer emails
Sandsunandfunemails.net send many search emails.
flyemails.com send many search emails.
balloon-mails.com send many search emails or fewer emails
notemailer.com send many search emails or fewer emails
honey-mail.com
more ptr sites ......

Secrets About Forced Search Paid to Read Sites
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/737975/secrets_about_forced_search_paid_to.html



What is a forced search?
There are certain programs in which the Program Owners force members to perform searches and if members do not carry out valid searches, they are threatened with deletion. This can be considered as a forced search.

Program owners do this by;
- Having special memberships which is available only for members who perform valid searches.
- Offering various incentives for members who perform valid searches including lower payouts, receiving more emails than the members who do not perform valid searches etc.
- Sending lots of emails to members who perform "valid" searches while members who do not perform "valid" searches receive little to no emails.

[Spitfire]

There is another term that they used for this. Click Fraud

The search engines, and some feds are now cracking down on these types of sites. Grant Koch lost a lot of his domain parking because he got cut off. Goggle AdSense cut off many paid to sites because of the click fraud issues. It hurts the honest sites when a few bad ones commit these fraud.

[Cubby]

I am not a member of any forced search sites, but I have noticed just in the last two weeks, that I am receiving search emails at other sites.

I dont click on search email ads.

A few of the sites that I have been a member of for a long while have always sent a few search mails.

[iamannoyed]

There is another term that they used for this. Click Fraud

The search engines, and some feds are now cracking down on these types of sites. Grant Koch lost a lot of his domain parking because he got cut off. Goggle AdSense cut off many paid to sites because of the click fraud issues. It hurts the honest sites when a few bad ones commit these fraud.

Google Ad Sense NEVER allowed incentivization, with or without the click fraud issues.

[Spitfire]

There is another term that they used for this. Click Fraud

The search engines, and some feds are now cracking down on these types of sites. Grant Koch lost a lot of his domain parking because he got cut off. Goggle AdSense cut off many paid to sites because of the click fraud issues. It hurts the honest sites when a few bad ones commit these fraud.

Google Ad Sense NEVER allowed incentivization, with or without the click fraud issues.

Where do you think these smaller search engines get their upline feed for searches from?

It is like a perimid. At the top, you have the big guys like Google, Yahoo, MSN and so forth. Now, you have affiliates of these search engines which are second teirs. Then you have the third teirs who are the affiliates of the second tiers. Then the fourth teirs which you find these smaller search engines that are used for PTRs and PTCs might be in question as well. So, the question is this. Is all the PTRs who sends search mails participating in click fraud if it is on purpose or not in trouble? The Owl Post was mentioned in a Wall Street Journal news article about click fraud.

[jjohnson777]

What I love is these sites sending 20-30 search emails a day.  Now who searches that many times a day and if do trust me the search engines will not find what I want.  Doubt any there advertisers in search engine for Bluegrass music.

[Craig]

I have to admit, I used to be a "searcher" when I started in GPT land, but I have adapted now to try and find a happy medium for all concerned, once I learned more about the issue. I am no-longer a member of sites that just send search mails, so I use the few search mails I get from the sites I am a member of to try and find stuff that interests me.

I must admit though that some of the search engines will send (or at least to me seem to send) me the same results no matter whether I'm searching for music stuff, F1 stuff or stuff to do with my site. When that happens I stop at the results page and click no further. Some of them can be useful though.

But when I made this switch in clicking policy away from the search sites, I realized to some extent that the same "click fraud" argument could be applied to other areas of the GPT world.

PTC sites that say x number of clicks to earn from your referrals, click contests, clicking or activity levels to use the PTP features as sites etc.

Is that also not encouraging members to click links without considering the advertiser who's looking for genuine interest in the ads that you are seeing? OK people may say that the ptp ad you're about to see has been paid for or redeemed for by a member that just wants a hit to that page, but take it on a level, what about the people putting the ads into the ptp pages, are those just looking for it to be promoted for a "hit" and not a "proper look"?

I don't judge anybody by their clicking habits because the whole industry has moved away from the Paid To Read (the ads) aspect it once was, to the Paid To (Just) Click aspect.

It's a very complicated issue and not one that can be solved overnight. I think as long as you make people aware of the ripple effect that happens when we see and click ads of any sort, you can do no more.

Some aspects of it are very black and white but others are a lot grayer in color.

[wagdoll]

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[jjohnson777]

Which is why most my sites have a 365 day inactivity period if not active in that period of time then probably not ever going to be.

[Craig]

Thank you for that post wagdoll 

You have raised some points and therefore awareness levels, that I, and maybe others, were not aware of. It's never a bad thing to have other peoples views on issues, they can often make you aware of something that in hindsight, seems such an obvious thing to see/be aware of.

You have certainly given me food for thought

[Spitfire]

Plus you can not force people to be very active like you have to click 100 links a month to get paid. That would be considered a no-no. The program that I am in made that point and it is one of the well-known programs out there that is paying her members on time.

[jjohnson777]

Thank one click a month is most sites should expect.  I tend to not buy at those who request more in alot if they remove the click requirements they get advertiser they so want but since they idiots I forget how to buy from them.

[Ethy]

But when I made this switch in clicking policy away from the search sites, I realized to some extent that the same "click fraud" argument could be applied to other areas of the GPT world.

PTC sites that say x number of clicks to earn from your referrals, click contests, clicking or activity levels to use the PTP features as sites etc.

Is that also not encouraging members to click links without considering the advertiser who's looking for genuine interest in the ads that you are seeing? OK people may say that the ptp ad you're about to see has been paid for or redeemed for by a member that just wants a hit to that page, but take it on a level, what about the people putting the ads into the ptp pages, are those just looking for it to be promoted for a "hit" and not a "proper look"?

I agree it could be applied to some other GPT aspects; some site's require me to click somewhere between 50-125 clicks per month to keep my upgrade, earn from PtP or Affiliate page and not to mention the activity requirement to earn from referrals.
I'm doing PTR for quite a few years now, and I don't feel like being active each month, but these programs are forcing me to. Meaning I click 125 ads without being interested in them, it's not such a big deal when it's a PtP link, but if it's someone trying to get refs for example , then that person lost a view on me, some ads are only bought for 250  clicks or such , so there's a big chance all these clicks will go waisted on people who are just clicking because they are being forced to. This is definitely not good for the advertiser. And if he got no results at all, there's little chance he'll be buying an ad again. So in the end the site is hurting itself with the forced clicking, that's how I see it at least
Same goes for ref earnings, It's already hard enough to get people to sign up under you, so why should I also have to click an insane amount of links just to earn from them, this is again forcing people to click when they might not be interested.
As far as forced searching is concerned, I would never join a site that even holds a simple record of searches made.

Hope this made any sense, it's quite late here

[locotime]

Anybody that advertises search engines with those prices for search ads. Will lose money. As a rule of thumb. It is just what happens. Searchers need to be motivated to search, not forced. Google and Yahoo have it figured out and I doubt anybody will catch up to their achievements. Motivating searches is a great marketing achievement. Forcing searches is for less than educated bullies.
Bullies and not the giving type. (Readrev....)
locotime